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Post by hermin1 on Jun 23, 2008 16:38:28 GMT -5
dear Fellow Researchrs; I am dire need of a copy of the Heirship Report for Louis LaRoche who died ,on the yankton Reervation on October 12, 1910. i am helping a family, that descends from the laroches. I appreciate yur help in sending me a copy of the Heirship?probte Report.
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Post by hermin1 on Jun 23, 2008 16:59:37 GMT -5
One main issue the family and I have with regard to the la Roche Family tree is the questionable existence of this woman called Appearing Cloud in the LaRoche Family Tree. We have been unable to find any evidence that she even existed, let alkone died.
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 23, 2008 17:41:18 GMT -5
Is this the Louis LaRoche married to Mary Ida Fallis, widow of Henry Langdeau? I have this Louis born in 1864.
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Post by rayhenry on Jun 23, 2008 20:09:09 GMT -5
Name: Appearing Cloud [Marpiyainapewin Cloud] Date of Birth: abt 1847 Age: 58 Gender: Female Tribe: Sioux Agency: Standing Rock State: North Dakota Last Census Number: 2789 Census Date: 30 Jun 1905 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Appearing Cloud 58 Wahatka 65 View original
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Post by hermin1 on Jun 23, 2008 21:36:54 GMT -5
jimmy: I am not positive. The family has told me that they were aware of one of his wives being a Fanny Irving whom he married before he died, and they had a son Maurice. They also told me they have been told he was married several times, so the one you found could very well have been one of his wives. He had a 1/2 sister named Anpa or Day woman, and they both shared the same ther: appea4ring Cloud, but different fathers.
Anpa or Day woman allegedly married a man named Kanginunpa. I do believe they married by Ind. Custom, in Minnesota. they spent some time at Santee then settled in Crow Creek. This is where her husband and children died. The reason I couldn't give any vital dates on Appearing Cloud , was because the family didn't know anything in terms of vital data for her, all they had was the name, and word they had heard on the crow Creek Reservation, that she had had a daughter named anpa or Day Woman.
I have an Anpa or Day Woman who was a Santee Sioux and she died @ 1916-1917. At the time of her death she was not married, her hubby was listed as kakpankpanku and he had died years before her. I don't know if she was married to another person befrore the one she had before she died, or not. I doubt I will ever be able to find out if she did. thanks much fellow researchers. I still would appreciate a copy of the Probate on Louis, or even the vital data from the probate9names of wives, when he died, parent's names, children, etc. which should give me and the family more to go on. they've been unable to get a copy of it, and me not being an Indian, I can't even ask for a copy from the BIA. Louis and this Anpa also had also had a 1/2 brother named Norbert( same father but different mothers) and a (don't know if 1/2 or full)sister named Louise or Louisa LaRoche who died without issue, before1900 at the Crow Creek Reservation.
Ray: I think this may be the Appearing Cloud that I was tryng to find. Appearing Cloud is supposed to have been the mother of Louis'e's half sister named anpawin( Day woman). Correction: Appearing Cloud was alleged to be the mother of Anpa, Louis, Nobbin and Louisa laRoche., but their father(s) were different from Anpa's father.. this was according to some documentation I have received, which included testimony by Nobbin laRoche in re. to another Estate. I also received documentation which indicates that the Anpa mentioned as the LaRoche's half sister, was not even married to Kanginunpa. So Anpa may have been their half sister and this Appearing cloud may have been their mother, but Anpa was never married to Kanginunpa. tanks much Jmmy and Ray for your help.
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Post by rayhenry on Jun 23, 2008 22:46:22 GMT -5
notice the different spelling, reservations, and household members. Seems to be two ? Appearing Clouds. Also I think [Marpiyainapewin] may tie to the yellow Clouds because Brave, Yellow Clouds brother married to a Flower. And there are two Iron Horns on the Yellow Cloud- Provincial tree. Also there is a [Scraper] sevaral different spellings [Tawahuitkawasteewin] listed as a household member. I believe someone was hunting her. I will work on this tomorrow night.
Name: Appearring Cloud [Marperyaklunip] Date of Birth: abt 1847 Age: 42 Gender: Female Relation to Head of Household: Wife Spouse's Name: Take The Shield Tribe: Lower Yanktonai Sioux (Sioux) Agency: Standing Rock State: Dakota Territory Last Census Number: 298 Census Date: 30 Jun 1889 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Take The Shield 43 Appearring Cloud 42 Pui 21 Pretty Pipe 10 Cut Off 6 Needle 4 Girl i
Name: Appearing Cloud [Marpiyaglinape] Date of Birth: abt 1847 Age: 44 Gender: Female Relation to Head of Household: Wife Spouse's Name: Take The Shield Tribe: Yankton Sioux (Sioux) Agency: Standing Rock State: North Dakota Last Census Number: 1301 Census Date: 1891 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Take The Shield 45 Appearing Cloud 44 Charles 8 Pretty Nest 6 Name: Appearing Cloud [Marpiyahinapewin] Date of Birth: abt 1847 Age: 46 Gender: Female Relation to Head of Household: Head Tribe: Blackfeet Sioux (Sioux) Agency: Standing Rock State: North Dakota Last Census Number: 412 Census Date: 30 Jun 1893 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Appearing Cloud 46 Wahatka 53 John Stone 58 Name: Appearing Cloud [Marfriyaglinape] Date of Birth: abt 1847 Age: 46 Gender: Female Relation to Head of Household: Wife Spouse's Name: Take The Shield Tribe: Yankton Sioux (Sioux) Agency: Standing Rock State: North Dakota Last Census Number: 1312 Census Date: 30 Jun 1893 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Take The Shield 47 Appearing Cloud 46 Edwin Take The Shield 10 Lucille Take The Shield 8 Name: Appearing Cloud [Marpiyaglinape] Date of Birth: abt 1847 Age: 47 Gender: Female Relation to Head of Household: Wife Spouse's Name: Take The Shield Tribe: Sioux Agency: Standing Rock State: North Dakota Last Census Number: 1903 Census Date: 30 Jun 1894 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Take The Shield 48 Appearing Cloud 47 Edwin Take The Shield 11 Pretty Nest 9 Name: Appearing Cloud [Marpiyainapewin] Date of Birth: abt 1847 Age: 48 Gender: Female Relation to Head of Household: Mother-in-law Tribe: Sioux Agency: Standing Rock State: North Dakota Last Census Number: 260 Census Date: 30 Jun 1895 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Joseph Ironhorn 22 Flower 22 Samuel Ironborn 1 Appearing Cloud 48 Scraper 55 Name: Appearing Cloud [Marfiyahinape] Date of Birth: abt 1847 Age: 47 Gender: Female Relation to Head of Household: Mother-in-law Tribe: Sioux Agency: Standing Rock State: North Dakota Last Census Number: 583 Census Date: 30 Jun 1894 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Joseph Iron Horn 21 Flower 21 Samuel Iron Horn inf Appearing Cloud 47 Scraper 54
Name: Appearing Cloud [Marpiyainapewin] Date of Birth: abt 1847 Age: 53 Gender: Female Relation to Head of Household: Mother Tribe: Sioux Agency: Standing Rock State: North Dakota Last Census Number: 3002 Census Date: 30 Jun 1900 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Appearing Cloud 53 Scrapen 60 Name: Appearing Cloud [Marpiyainapewin] Date of Birth: abt 1847 Age: 54 Gender: Female Relation to Head of Household: Niece Tribe: Sioux Agency: Standing Rock Last Census Number: 2949 Census Date: 30 Jun 1901 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Marshall 40 Bertha Marshall 37 Charles Marshall 8 Joseph Marshall 7 Albert Marshall 4 Louisa Marshall 1 Robert D Marshall 29 Appearing Cloud 54 Scraper 61
Name: Appearing Cloud Date of Birth: abt 1847 Age: 54 Gender: Female Relation to Head of Household: Wife Spouse's Name: Take The Shield Tribe: Sioux Agency: Standing Rock Last Census Number: 3317 Census Date: 30 Jun 1901 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Take The Shield 55 Appearing Cloud 54
Name: Appearing Cloud [Mariyaglinapewin] Date of Birth: abt 1847 Age: 55 Gender: Female Relation to Head of Household: Wife Spouse's Name: Fake The Shield Tribe: Sioux Agency: Standing Rock State: North Dakota Last Census Number: 3313 Census Date: 30 Jun 1902 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Fake The Shield 56 Appearing Cloud 55
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Post by hermin1 on Aug 15, 2008 13:42:51 GMT -5
Ray: thanks so much for your help!! I can see where youare oming from on all thee appearing clouds. My goodness there were a bunch of them.
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